It’s important to me for linux users to know how much I despise them
No one is more bitter than a disillusioned ex-believer, and I tried so hard to be an early Linux adopter in the late 90s, early 00s. I was bright eyed and full of hope for an open source future.
Spent 3 years trying to transition to linux as my daily driver, and every time I tried it was just days of frustration and every time I tried to go to any of the various linux forums at the time, all I got in return was literally hundreds of users telling me to read a list of books before I had the right to ask questions.
This happened EVERY FUCKDAMN place I went, forums, usenet, IRC, even oldschool bulletin boards
The worst part about the experience is that the environment is so fractured that every distro is basically it’s own unique thing, with quirks and differences that aren’t apparent to people who haven’t been using them for years already, and that everyone is so fuckdamn hard on depreciating still used functions or just renaming fucking functions for vanity sake
So past forum posts are likely just not going to be helpful anymore, which is a really fucking ridiculous design choice when one of the primary project goals is ubiquitous interoperability and long term support.
Linux is a waste of human energy. Can you even imagine the hundreds of millions of human development hours that went into failed distros and vanity changes being actually used to make one unified fucking amazing OS?
The original dream was a community of dedicated and passionate devs working together to unseat corporate software control
Instead what we got was a thousand fractured groups all doing whatever the fuck they feel like and now you need a fuckdamn college course to figure out which of the thousand distros are for you
Oof, I 100% understand why you have the emotional response to it that you do. A good part of the community back then were hella toxic, and even now, 20+ years later, it’s not that much better. That coupled with the enshittification of search and the death of many of those spaces for help, forums, etc. that I would argue results in a similar level of difficulty, albeit a somewhat different flavor.
But
As yesterday’s empires continue to self-cannibalize it’s highly likely that Linux is going to be the only safe and functional option in the relatively near future. While I understand personally not wanting anything to do with it, you will very likely need to make at least one Linux friend who can help you with those needs.
Well, you did call it a “failed experiment”, that doesn’t sound right when it is the most used OS on the planet, on supercomputers, on servers, on phones.
People answered with a broad response to a broad statement.
Anyway, if this rage is medically induced and this topic seems to trigger you, why not blocking it?
I think you can see how you are not going to convince anybody that your experience 20-30 years ago with Linux is applicable today, especially when people with 0 tech skills manage to daily drive a Linux dietro or use it for gaming. So why doing this to yourself?
Researching IED, avoidance for “situations that upset you” seems to be one of the few recommended prevention mechanisms.
You will get banned anyway eventually from the community, why not just blocking it in advance?
I’m not going to pretend I’ve been a Linux purist my entire life or anything. The landscape for daily driving desktop Linux was really rough in the time period you described attempting to migrate, but I had Linux laptops assigned to each kid in my school circa 2007 and that ignited my interest in the platform. My father was an enthusiast and build a safe environment for me to experiment as a kid when I otherwise would have been out of my depth. I had a Linux box, usually an Ubuntu derivative, around pretty much continuously from 2012-2017 which would have been pre-uni for me and served as just an environment I could easily play with making small web projects and Minecraft mods and whatnot. But I gamed on windows for most of that time. I think when proton hit I failed to install arch and bounced over to Manjaro which was my main gaming distro untill maybe ~2021 when I got tired of things breaking because of the aur and just migrated to arch using the arch install script came out and I was able to set it up trivially. Since then it’s been pretty much “it just works” level compatibility, there are some niche things about my setup that are a little more complicated like some networked pulseaudio stuff and a bunch of development tools I need for work at this point, but overall I have my wife running fedora on her laptop and using a steam deck in desktop mode at her desk and she generally is able to do her schooling and whatnot without issue. I think the only real program she has issues with is an examination specific browser that she has to use another machine in the house for. I have not daily driven windows for the better part of the last decade and while I definitely have frustrations with no great CAD solution and the antagonistic relationship with publishers like EA and Epic Games, I also just am able to play my friendslop and souls games without any issues at all. I’m sorry you had negative experiences with the community, but it’s kinda weird to direct your negative feelings for the losers that gatekept you at the entire platform, particularly when the platform grossly outsizes this particular niche and it’s through the support of countless open source developers that we have the ability to do anything outside of the scope of Windows spyware or the fenced garden that is MacOS.
I am sorry you have such passionate hatred for something a bunch of nerds tried to do for everyone else for free, to be nice. I am also sorry you have apparently not tried gaming on Linux in the past ~3 years. It can’t be comfortable having all that pent-up anger inside you.
I myself used to be like you, namely around the early 2010s when Linux distros started gaining GUIs that weren’t stuck in the 90s. Where they looked sleek and modern and oh god were they not at all, they just looked that way. I tried to make it work, but every time I had to boot back to Windows to do something I eventually just ended up staying in Windows. I can’t fathom how fucking archaic and awful it would’ve been to use in the 90s/early 00s, you tried to struggle through that for three years? I barely made it a few months with Ubuntu 10.04 in ~2010. Something I said then, and still say now to Linux dorks who don’t “get it”, is that “some of us want to work on their computer, not work on their computer.” I just want shit to work. I don’t want to troubleshoot or tweak or fiddle-fuck with settings. My OS is a means to an end, not an end in and of itself – if I’m spending more time fucking with the OS than I am using other programs on it, something has gone dearly wrong.
Having said that, I switched to Mint about a year and a half ago, and it works pretty well for me, not nearly as many headaches as I recall when I tried Linux ~15 years ago. When I printed something from a network printer and it just worked without bullshit issues, I was floored. There’s still the occasional hiccup, but then, I also had to deal with occasional hiccups on Windows as well, and the terminal isn’t nearly so scary when you’re used to dealing with the Group Policy Editor and PowerShell. I can count the times I’ve had to boot into Windows since on my fingers, it’s definitely less than 10. One of the things I think I love most is that I can choose to postpone updates, or restarting for them, as long as I want without the computer thinking it knows better than me. I got shit to do, I’ll get there when I get there – and having Windows go “nuh-uh, you’re restarting now” pissed me the fuck off.
Having said all that, I will freely admit and agree with you that a large portion of the Linux community is made up of elitist twats who will tell you to go read xyz instead of being in any way directly helpful. Nerds are not generally known for their social skills. However, it really doesn’t do anyone any favors to be needlessly inflammatory. If Windows works for you and you like it, great, I’m glad you’re happy with it. But there’s simply no reason to be so aggressive over Linux existing, especially now that it’s finally becoming tolerable even for former Linux-loathing users like me.
actually no, but if it makes you feel better you can believe whatever you want. I forgive you for being wrong.
Or are you just in disbelief that 2010 was 15 years ago? Because yeah, I feel old, too. I just can’t remember exactly when it was, 10.04 had a beta in 2009 and released early 2010 and was the Hot Cool New Thing for a time because HOLY SHIT IT DOESN’T LOOK LIKE IT’S FROM THE 90S LET’S GET IN ON THIS. Might’ve been late 2009 I tried the beta, might’ve been 2010. I was in my teens at the time, it’s too fucking long ago for me to remember exact dates.
well, this is the first time I’ve ever been accused of being an AI, but you can believe whatever makes you happy. It’s no skin off my ass. Personally, I think you’re just intentionally being dense and found there wasn’t any fault you could pick with my original post to champion your original point of “linux bad”, and you instead just decided being a dick and calling me a bot was a decent out. which, for the record, fuck you kindly for suggesting I only write as well as ChatGPT, even a comparison to Claude would be less insulting. But that’s fine, I still forgive you. I just think that’s a terribly sad way to go about interacting with others.
I hope someday you become a tranquil autist, or at least only a moderately irritated one. Because I can’t fathom yours, as it is, being a satisfying way to socialize; nevermind an effective one to change anyone else’s opinion on Linux or any other topic. Take care.
None of this actually happened, give any evidence, nobody would tell you to read a book. This is clearly fake, go to any linux support subreddit or forum and find one example of this, these are blatant lies.
or you were a huge asshole to people providing you free help so they told you to fuck off, which seems very likely.
It’s important to me for linux users to know how much I despise them
No one is more bitter than a disillusioned ex-believer, and I tried so hard to be an early Linux adopter in the late 90s, early 00s. I was bright eyed and full of hope for an open source future.
Spent 3 years trying to transition to linux as my daily driver, and every time I tried it was just days of frustration and every time I tried to go to any of the various linux forums at the time, all I got in return was literally hundreds of users telling me to read a list of books before I had the right to ask questions.
This happened EVERY FUCKDAMN place I went, forums, usenet, IRC, even oldschool bulletin boards
The worst part about the experience is that the environment is so fractured that every distro is basically it’s own unique thing, with quirks and differences that aren’t apparent to people who haven’t been using them for years already, and that everyone is so fuckdamn hard on depreciating still used functions or just renaming fucking functions for vanity sake
So past forum posts are likely just not going to be helpful anymore, which is a really fucking ridiculous design choice when one of the primary project goals is ubiquitous interoperability and long term support.
Linux is a waste of human energy. Can you even imagine the hundreds of millions of human development hours that went into failed distros and vanity changes being actually used to make one unified fucking amazing OS?
The original dream was a community of dedicated and passionate devs working together to unseat corporate software control
Instead what we got was a thousand fractured groups all doing whatever the fuck they feel like and now you need a fuckdamn college course to figure out which of the thousand distros are for you
Fuck linux
Fuck the people who promote it
That is all
Oof, I 100% understand why you have the emotional response to it that you do. A good part of the community back then were hella toxic, and even now, 20+ years later, it’s not that much better. That coupled with the enshittification of search and the death of many of those spaces for help, forums, etc. that I would argue results in a similar level of difficulty, albeit a somewhat different flavor.
But
As yesterday’s empires continue to self-cannibalize it’s highly likely that Linux is going to be the only safe and functional option in the relatively near future. While I understand personally not wanting anything to do with it, you will very likely need to make at least one Linux friend who can help you with those needs.
Undirected rage commenting is not the way.
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The rage bait isn’t even funny anymore lmao, most used OS on the planet btw. Have fun sucking microsoft off I guess
Only for servers, and of course the fact that you are dishonest about the metric just reinforces all I feel towards your ilk
nope, its the most used mobile platform as well and there are far more mobile devices than desktops.
That doesn’t have any impact on desktop gaming PCs, which are the devices we are discussing here.
Again, another linux cultist who deliberately misunderstands to get their rancid 2 cents in
Offspec said most used OS on the planet and you said only for servers. You’re wrong its not only for servers so it is the most used OS on the planet.
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Well, you did call it a “failed experiment”, that doesn’t sound right when it is the most used OS on the planet, on supercomputers, on servers, on phones.
People answered with a broad response to a broad statement.
Anyway, if this rage is medically induced and this topic seems to trigger you, why not blocking it? I think you can see how you are not going to convince anybody that your experience 20-30 years ago with Linux is applicable today, especially when people with 0 tech skills manage to daily drive a Linux dietro or use it for gaming. So why doing this to yourself?
Researching IED, avoidance for “situations that upset you” seems to be one of the few recommended prevention mechanisms. You will get banned anyway eventually from the community, why not just blocking it in advance?
I’m not going to pretend I’ve been a Linux purist my entire life or anything. The landscape for daily driving desktop Linux was really rough in the time period you described attempting to migrate, but I had Linux laptops assigned to each kid in my school circa 2007 and that ignited my interest in the platform. My father was an enthusiast and build a safe environment for me to experiment as a kid when I otherwise would have been out of my depth. I had a Linux box, usually an Ubuntu derivative, around pretty much continuously from 2012-2017 which would have been pre-uni for me and served as just an environment I could easily play with making small web projects and Minecraft mods and whatnot. But I gamed on windows for most of that time. I think when proton hit I failed to install arch and bounced over to Manjaro which was my main gaming distro untill maybe ~2021 when I got tired of things breaking because of the aur and just migrated to arch using the arch install script came out and I was able to set it up trivially. Since then it’s been pretty much “it just works” level compatibility, there are some niche things about my setup that are a little more complicated like some networked pulseaudio stuff and a bunch of development tools I need for work at this point, but overall I have my wife running fedora on her laptop and using a steam deck in desktop mode at her desk and she generally is able to do her schooling and whatnot without issue. I think the only real program she has issues with is an examination specific browser that she has to use another machine in the house for. I have not daily driven windows for the better part of the last decade and while I definitely have frustrations with no great CAD solution and the antagonistic relationship with publishers like EA and Epic Games, I also just am able to play my friendslop and souls games without any issues at all. I’m sorry you had negative experiences with the community, but it’s kinda weird to direct your negative feelings for the losers that gatekept you at the entire platform, particularly when the platform grossly outsizes this particular niche and it’s through the support of countless open source developers that we have the ability to do anything outside of the scope of Windows spyware or the fenced garden that is MacOS.
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I am sorry you have such passionate hatred for something a bunch of nerds tried to do for everyone else for free, to be nice. I am also sorry you have apparently not tried gaming on Linux in the past ~3 years. It can’t be comfortable having all that pent-up anger inside you.
I myself used to be like you, namely around the early 2010s when Linux distros started gaining GUIs that weren’t stuck in the 90s. Where they looked sleek and modern and oh god were they not at all, they just looked that way. I tried to make it work, but every time I had to boot back to Windows to do something I eventually just ended up staying in Windows. I can’t fathom how fucking archaic and awful it would’ve been to use in the 90s/early 00s, you tried to struggle through that for three years? I barely made it a few months with Ubuntu 10.04 in ~2010. Something I said then, and still say now to Linux dorks who don’t “get it”, is that “some of us want to work on their computer, not work on their computer.” I just want shit to work. I don’t want to troubleshoot or tweak or fiddle-fuck with settings. My OS is a means to an end, not an end in and of itself – if I’m spending more time fucking with the OS than I am using other programs on it, something has gone dearly wrong.
Having said that, I switched to Mint about a year and a half ago, and it works pretty well for me, not nearly as many headaches as I recall when I tried Linux ~15 years ago. When I printed something from a network printer and it just worked without bullshit issues, I was floored. There’s still the occasional hiccup, but then, I also had to deal with occasional hiccups on Windows as well, and the terminal isn’t nearly so scary when you’re used to dealing with the Group Policy Editor and PowerShell. I can count the times I’ve had to boot into Windows since on my fingers, it’s definitely less than 10. One of the things I think I love most is that I can choose to postpone updates, or restarting for them, as long as I want without the computer thinking it knows better than me. I got shit to do, I’ll get there when I get there – and having Windows go “nuh-uh, you’re restarting now” pissed me the fuck off.
Having said all that, I will freely admit and agree with you that a large portion of the Linux community is made up of elitist twats who will tell you to go read xyz instead of being in any way directly helpful. Nerds are not generally known for their social skills. However, it really doesn’t do anyone any favors to be needlessly inflammatory. If Windows works for you and you like it, great, I’m glad you’re happy with it. But there’s simply no reason to be so aggressive over Linux existing, especially now that it’s finally becoming tolerable even for former Linux-loathing users like me.
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actually no, but if it makes you feel better you can believe whatever you want. I forgive you for being wrong.
Or are you just in disbelief that 2010 was 15 years ago? Because yeah, I feel old, too. I just can’t remember exactly when it was, 10.04 had a beta in 2009 and released early 2010 and was the Hot Cool New Thing for a time because HOLY SHIT IT DOESN’T LOOK LIKE IT’S FROM THE 90S LET’S GET IN ON THIS. Might’ve been late 2009 I tried the beta, might’ve been 2010. I was in my teens at the time, it’s too fucking long ago for me to remember exact dates.
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well, this is the first time I’ve ever been accused of being an AI, but you can believe whatever makes you happy. It’s no skin off my ass. Personally, I think you’re just intentionally being dense and found there wasn’t any fault you could pick with my original post to champion your original point of “linux bad”, and you instead just decided being a dick and calling me a bot was a decent out. which, for the record, fuck you kindly for suggesting I only write as well as ChatGPT, even a comparison to Claude would be less insulting. But that’s fine, I still forgive you. I just think that’s a terribly sad way to go about interacting with others.
I hope someday you become a tranquil autist, or at least only a moderately irritated one. Because I can’t fathom yours, as it is, being a satisfying way to socialize; nevermind an effective one to change anyone else’s opinion on Linux or any other topic. Take care.
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None of this actually happened, give any evidence, nobody would tell you to read a book. This is clearly fake, go to any linux support subreddit or forum and find one example of this, these are blatant lies.
or you were a huge asshole to people providing you free help so they told you to fuck off, which seems very likely.
prove me wrong by posting one example, you won’t.
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Any evidence that this has happened to anyone, ever, yes.
you are obviously lying.