Anyone else getting these donation ads? Was it just shoved onto an update by the Lemmy devs, or is this coming from the instance admins? It doesn’t seem to show on clean browser sessions to lemmy.ca
Anyone else getting these donation ads? Was it just shoved onto an update by the Lemmy devs, or is this coming from the instance admins? It doesn’t seem to show on clean browser sessions to lemmy.ca
Mbin doesn’t provide transparency for downvotes
So by your logic, just because they don’t provide all available forms of transparency means they don’t provide any? You are just searching for a “gotcha” when it isn’t even a counterpoint.
As to why,
That particular exception exists, it doesn’t take too much effort to find out why: https://github.com/MbinOrg/mbin/issues/1115 Among other things, Mbin was threatened to be blocked by Lemmy on default for part of its functionality by the Lemmy devs, and melroy decided to succumb to the pressure rather than split the fediverse on this issue. Honestly, I find the main Lemmy devs to be compromised given how much they want narratives to head in a particular political direction and the tool that lack of transparency on downvotes provides for that in regards to shaping visibility and discussion within threads. It wasn’t like that for a long time, but you knew that.
I didn’t say they don’t provide any, I said that their transparency isn’t complete.
If someone wants to have full votes transparency nowadays, using a Lemmy instance that federates lemvotes provides transparency on both up and downvotes, while Mbin only gives upvotes.
Not sure if Mbin support lemvotes, but even if it does, then it’s similar to Lemmy: you have to use lemvotes to have full transparency
Lemvotes isn’t foolproof, and just because something isn’t complete doesn’t mean it doesn’t have it. Although Lemvotes is another good example of how baseless the “voting privacy” argument is.
If I propose Mbin, it’s because between Lemmy and Piefed it has the most voting transparency, it doesn’t have to be perfect. I’d rather advertise instances that move towards it than those that move away with it due to ridiculous concepts like “voting privacy”.
To put it in the words that can illustrate the ideological hypocrisy surrounding it better, it is essentially a tool of the “bourgeois” to obfuscate general access to the “proletariat” of the user base. People have enough power to pseudonymize their votes to anonymous accounts, so it is a testament of insecurity to try to use dark patterns to hide access to it when it is readily accessible through sites like lemvotes to even the most hostile of parties. The sky hasn’t come down because these sites exist, and rather than the issue being the small minority of the people who might abuse them, I suspect it might be due to the insecurities of the people who downvote frequently or purposefully.
You speak as if the fediverse has a supermajority of support for public voting. I don’t think it does. I think it certainly has a majority of support, but not a supermajority. I’ve been in threads where users have complained about Lemmy’s public voting and objected loudly about Piefed changing their system to incorporate public voting. Rimu straddled both sides completely transparently and came it with about as equitable an outcome as he could with the private non-federated voting and public federated voting.
This is pretty open.
Let’s just agree to disagree
On the other hand, I agree with you that votes should be public, but there are a lot of people who want them private