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bubblybubbles@lemmy.ml to Memes@lemmy.ml · 6 days ago

Average convo with liberals when Ukraine comes up

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Average convo with liberals when Ukraine comes up

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bubblybubbles@lemmy.ml to Memes@lemmy.ml · 6 days ago
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  • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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    I gave western sources that are biased against Russia and pro-Kiev still admitting to the ethnic cleansing campaign. Secondly, war in Ukraine is unpopular! They have to rely on forced conscription to keep the war going. There’s a decent amount of nationalists in Ukraine that support the Banderites just like there are a decent number of MAGA supporters outside of the government in the US Empire, but by and large the war is unpopular. That’s also why Kiev is finally trying to concede and reach a peace deal.

    You’ve got this thought terminating ideology where if something disagrees with your far-right narrative, you immediately disagree with it, even if the sources are from outlets that share your world view.

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      Western sources that are bought and paid by the kremlin like Pim Tool, Benny Johnson and all those involved in the Tenet Media scandal? Thanks but I prefer official sources instead of unverified and biased blog posts.

      The war is so unpopular that russian hasn’t been able to conquer no complete control on those regions still under its occupation. They are so beloved by Ukrainians that they cannot even have a stable form of government due to the lack of administrative personnel. What a support from the common population!!!

      Another thing are the eventual crimes committed during the war. Both Ukraine and Russia are doing terrible acts in this war and indipendent tribunals should be able to keep the perpetrators of such acts accountable once the war will end. But, ask yourself, had Russia not started this war would these war crimes ever been committed? The answer is no, of course, so in my eyes Russia still is the root cause for all the needles suffering both these countries are going through

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        Sources like the BBC, New York Times, The Guardian, The Hill, Jacobin, Reuters, The Natiob, and Al Jazeera are “paid by the Kremlin?” I know fascists like you thrive on irrationality, but there’s a limit to denying reality.

        From davel’s compilation:

        • BBC, 2014: Ukraine underplays role of far right in conflict
        • Human Rights Watch, 2014: Ukraine: Unguided Rockets Killing Civilians
        • The Hill, 2017: The reality of neo-Nazis in Ukraine is far from Kremlin propaganda
        • The Guardian, 2017: ‘I want to bring up a warrior’: Ukraine’s far-right children’s camp – video
        • WaPo, 2018: The war in Ukraine is more devastating than you know
        • Reuters, 2018: Ukraine’s neo-Nazi problem
        • The Nation, 2019: Neo-Nazis and the Far Right Are On the March in Ukraine
        • openDemocracy, 2019: Why Ukraine’s new language law will have long-term consequences
        • Jacobin, 2022: A US-Backed, Far Right–Led Revolution in Ukraine Helped Bring Us to the Brink of War
        • Consortium News, 2022: Evidence of US-Backed Coup in Kiev
        • Al Jazeera, 2022: Why did Ukraine suspend 11 ‘pro-Russia’ parties?
        • History of Fascism in Ukraine: Part I, Part II, Part III, Part IV

        Ukraine ethnically cleansing the Donbass region, which popularly supports Russia, is what started the war. The Euromaidan coup is what kicked off the war in 2014, Russia entered in 2022 after the Minsk agreements failed. Had NATO not couped Ukraine, the war would have never happened.

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