• RiverRock@lemmy.ml
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    4 days ago

    Do you actually believe it’s inconsistent? Because it’s really quite straightforward: The US-centered capitalist empire must be stopped, and it’s genocidal proxies need to be eliminated, for the survival of the human race.

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      Imperialist capitalist oligarchic country must be stopped so I should support another imperialist capitalist oligarchic country. Brilliant logic.

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        1. only one of these countries is imperialist.

        2. only one of these countries is a waning world hegemon with it’s boot on the neck of the planet and 900 military bases worldwide.

        3. the other has been forced into a position of fighting and weakening the hegemon, and therefore warrants critical support. This is why Africa, China and and most of the middle east support Russia in this war: every NATO tank and drone destroyed in Ukraine is one less to menace people elsewhere, one less to enforce murderous sanctions and austerity. The logic is very simple if you understand cause, effect and scale.

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          1. Of course, because Belarus, Wagner group in Africa, Caucasus, are all humanitarian efforts
          2. True, but Spain was still imperialistic despite England being more successful. Success doesn’t excuse actions and ideology.
          3. Now who doesn’t really understand world politics?

          You guys sound like liberals defending the invasion of Iraq.

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            I don’t think you know what imperialism means. Russia can and is bad without being imperialist. They may have imperial ambitions but that’s irrelevant to the now where they do not have the capacity to be imperialist. I wish people would stop trying to dilute the meaning of imperialism to just mean country doing war or big country doing thing I don’t like.

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      Imperialist capitalist oligarchic country must be stopped so I should support another imperialist capitalist oligarchic country. Brilliant logic.

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      3 days ago

      The inconsistent part is giving a free pass to Russia when they do everything the US does just not as extensively.

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        Russia is not stealing the surplus value and resources of the global south on an immense scale, which is the primary reason why its resistance to the US Empire and its European vassals plays a progressive role because of this.

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          Russia steals the surplus value for within it’s borders, the US steals surplus value from beyond it’s borders. Like I said, Russia does everything the US does just not as extensively.

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            Russia is indeed capitalist, correct, not imperialist. Glad we can come to an understanding on why the US Empire is the biggest global obstacle to socialism, and that the Russian Federation’s lack of imperialism makes it worthy of critical support in undermining the US Empire.

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            So you support the Soviet Union, back when the USSR didn’t steal the surplus value within its borders?

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        If you actually believe they’re doing even a tenth of “everything” the US is doing, you are woefully underinformed to be having this conversation