It’s amazing that you repeat the same stories over and again which have mostly nothing to do with the linked article, and/or is oversimplified or outright false, while whitewashing China which this report is about. Seems that unions are only good if/when they don’t stand in China’s way, right?

There’s no unfair subsidies in this context.

Even BYD itself (as well as other Chinese car makers) admits this, with one of its executives literally warning of a “bloodbath” in China’s domestic car market.

Lowering auto prices would have dramatically positive effect on our economy,

No, not everything is about price.

We must even think of outright banning imports as Chinese factories tied to Xinjiang forced labour feed supply chains for practically every major carmaker – and tariffs won’t stop that.

China is heavily opposing transparent supply chains, and this is for a reason. I don’t want a car made by slaves, not matter how cheap it is.

Nah, raise tariffs to make at least partially up the unfair subsidies in China and support the Canadian EV industry (the issue of forced labour, intransparent Chinese supply chains, and other things make the situation of buying Chinese cars more questionable, no?). I think the union is right.

China, as of right now, do not oppose my interests so I’m OK with them interfering.

This is, of course, wrong. The Chinese government is deliberately undermining democracies and the rule of law. I understand that you don’t like what you name “MAGA Canada”, but China is far ahead in its dictatorial policy. If you don’t like “MAGA Canada”, you can’t ignore China.

If China goes against my interests then we should stop them interfering.

They already do, you may just not noticing it - and once you have done it in the future, it may be too late …

Oof, thats insane that he did that and is still allowed to publish.

This is not Lemmygrad and the like.

The thread is somehow funny. There is ample evidence from several sources that China is interfering in Canadian elections, but some are ‘whatabouting’ on a think tank’s funding.

What weird kind of whataboutery is this now?

I wouldn’t say this is adopted from the Florida man’s playbook, although it may look so at first sight.

As Mr. Carney says, two-thirds of the steel consumed in Canada comes from abroad (with a large part from China). In the U.S. this rate is one-third, in the EU one sixth. This makes Canada dependent on foreign suppliers.

International trade is fine if everyone plays by the rule of law. If not -which is arguably the case in the predictable future- this dependency puts your economy at a higher risk, and it may make you vulnerable to coercive political measures which we have been observing exactly by countries like China. So protecting your own industry and collaborate with those countries with whom you have a free trade agreement could be a good move.

But that’s just my interpretation. Maybe I am wrong.

Online Event June 9: China’s Transnational Repression Efforts | Citizen Lab

On June 9, join the Citizen Lab’s Emile Dirks to discuss China’s influence, interference, and repression in Canada.

In this online session hosted by the Canada China Forum, Emile Dirks, senior research associate at the Citizen Lab, and Bradley Jardine, managing director of Oxus Society for Central Asian Affairs, will explore the PRC’s lawful and unlawful influence practices, the fine line between influence and interference, as well as how the international society should respond to China’s advancements.

The degree and form of whataboutery on Lemmy takes weird shapes.

especially while China is actually offering to work with us and to help us out in dealing with our biggest immediate threat.

I don’t think that China wants to work with anyone to ‘help’ them. They just try to take advantage of the situation, but the Chinese government hasn’t become better because the U.S. got worse.

I fully agree. These are advisories, not warnings, though. Many countries (like Germany) even explicitly said that their new advice does not mean to be a warning. I am not an expert for this, so please just let me know if I am mistaken, but as far as I understand, the Truthout article seems to be accurate in its wording.

Not sure whetver I interpret your comment correctly. But that’s right, if you’re Australian. But this advisory comes from the Canadian government for people travelling with a valid Canadian passport.

You might have (intentionally?) misunderstood the content.

No, because these cheap EVs from China are essentially cheap because of slave-like forced labour.

Zhu Hengpeng, who worked for a Chinese government thinktank for more than 20 years, disappeared a few months ago after making disparaging remarks on China’s economy, including the GDP growth and other metrics. You’ll find ample evidence for this.

Gemini says source of claim is …

Thanks for this. If you don’t have better sources than Gemini, I end this discussion.

Hateful warmongering against China has forced it on a “delete America” program. This is opportunity for Canada. Divisiveness from US is needed instead of evil against China.

Your comments are outright wrong. This is not hateful warmongering, I am offering simple facts. The 5% growth rate in China is most likely wrong. Even one of China’s leading economists recently claimed that growth rates in the country are more around 2% (he has since disappeared).

A lot of China’s EV manufacturers already went bankrupt or ceased production in recent years due to fierce price wars, but the country has still a huge overcapacity, and we see the same pattern in practically all other industries.

(To use your language: just look at the numbers instead of repeating the Chinese propaganda absurdity.)

Extremely shameful and destructive for the lacks of talks between Canada and China. Tariffs were put on with not even a phone call, as Sulivan met with Trudeau one weekend.

Talks between Canada and China have been going on all the time, but China doesn’t appear to listen. The government in Beijing ordered Chinese companies to overproduce -EVs and other products- as they think this is the only way to support their troubled economy. They make decisions in complete disregard of anyone else. I don’t say tariffs or other protectionist measure are a good thing, but a free competitive market only works if everyone plays according to the rules. China doesn’t.

No one wants and needs ‘affordable’ EVs made with slavery-like labour.

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