Not dividing the left, just consolidating the right

Not trying to simp. Just saying you and I don’t know what’s really going on over there because of how our dear leaders control all the information that comes out.

Cowbee is mostly correct so I’m not going to address everything but there are 2 pieces I want to respond to.

Greed is rewarded in every economy.

That doesn’t seem to be true. Like an economy that doesn’t funnel money into individuals. Or even moneyless economies like Library or Gift. (Though moneyless economies imply we’re achieving actual communism, going beyond socialism)

No, socialist systems like free housing, healthcare, education can exist alongside capitalism. Worker owned systems like cooperatives still operate in a market.

Are you talking about free housing (etc) programs being managed as a cooperative, alongside a commodities market of cooperatives? If yes, that’s not capitalism, that’s socialism. If no, then you must be talking about a welfare state like what’s in Scandinavia, which isn’t socialist.

Kind of relevant to both points, there are a few different schools of socialism so you could see if any make more sense to you.

First, don’t point your finger at capitalism as the problem.

You already lost me

Second, acknowledge & understand greed and how it is inherent in all human nature.

I would rather acknowledge and encourage humans inherent nature to cooperate and grow together.

Third, build systems that minimize the damage done by individual or corporate greed.

Like building an economy that doesn’t inherently reward greed? I wonder what that would look like.

Check against consolidation, monopolization, and short term Wall St like thinking of endless growth.

These things exist because of capitalism

Four, make sure socialist programs exist to support everyone

That’s social welfare. Being socialist means the workers own the means of production

capitalism is not the only way to live, it’s optional

It’s so easy to live in the USA and just not do capitalism /s

the European nations seem to be doing things quite alright

Do you understand that their wealth was pillaged from the global south?

Can you give me a description of what makes socialism bad solely based on how it works (not referencing any country who may have attempted it)?

I can’t look at NK because the world capitalist economy isolated them, so I’m not going to argue about their material conditions. I don’t think anyone is immune to greed, but I think having a system that rewards greed is going to turn it from an aberration to an epidemic.

To your first point, let’s pretend you’re right and look at it in the abstract. What is to be done? Do you want to kill greed? How would you do that?

Capitalism rewards greed, thus perpetuating it and entrenching it. So capitalism is the root of our greed epidemic

She said Canada could avoid the tariffs by “becoming the 51st state”