agreed. let us go in peace. have a good rest of your day.

well, my intention today was not to question communism or defend capitalism. it was a contention that you were being disingenuous.

and while i still don’t agree with some of your conclusions in how you use your data, i am softened in my assessment of you.

we’re hitting a good point here, just recognize that and don’t ruin it.

good stuff here. thanks. i’ll add them to my inquiry list.

let’s stop here before it gets ruined. XD

until the next time!

except i’m not trying to do any of what you seem to be accusing me?

the whole point is to get more of the truth out, wherever it lands.

i’m not the ideological one. you are.

this is nothing more than a social interaction.

i’m not going to overly commit if i think you’re full of shit, deluded and/or acting in bad faith.

“Does that satisfy, or are you just going to endlessly move the goalposts?”

don’t do this. do you want to de-escalate or not? stay on topic.

is it satisfactory? not really, but i don’t expect you to dump a treatise on a chat board.

i want particular looks into political persecutions in these states, cults of personalities, corruption and abuse of powers, imbalanced relationships between Russia and other USSR states, treatment of Uyghurs, China’s social cred system, these kinds of items.

i do NOT expect you to address any of these items here, and i’m not asking you to.

you will say that my views are tainted by biased capitalist propaganda. if that’s true, where would you suggest i go to get information on these topics? mind you, i will look very askance at anything that is coming from a socialist echo chamber, since they will also have their own biases.

re: authoritarianism

i hear what you’re saying. good thoughts.

re: critique

yes, this is much better. deeper, more nuanced.

i would but i already don’t trust you from our last attempt at this. that needs to be addressed first.

this is coming up better in the other thread, so lets continue to focus there.

as for who i do this for, it’s always for the pursuit of and elucidation of truth, for myself and for any who may find it useful in their own lives.

re: tankie

i don’t do any of that, but that is your go-to response for the term.

this has come of my lived experience of interacting with you. it has been what you have put forth to me in your full-throated support of, as you say, AES states.

NOW, having said that, if you have some examples to show me of your nuanced critique of the human rights abuses of these authoritarian states, i’d actually love to see them. they did not come up in our last interaction. maybe they will change my view of you and of your brand of communism.

re: authoritarianism

we have interacted in the past, and of course you wouldn’t recall. no reason you would, and that’s totally ok. but you are active enough i’m sure you realize that ppl remember you.

i’m ok with being anti-communist if that is indeed what i am. but because i am actively inquiring into Socialist thought to see if i can be Socialist, it’s just not a category i am sure of yet (either pro/anti communism, socialism, insert-Leftist-ideology-here, etc). i do know i am anti-authoritarian, and that will not change.

re: critique

“I find that it’s usually Marxist-Leninists that are the most critical of AES along genuine lines, as we’ve done the due dilligence of sepparating fact from fiction so we can learn what went wrong and what went right.”

i’ve heard you say this before. it strikes me as a bit hubristic and if i were you i’d remain concerned about the accuracy of reports/data from AES states, same as i don’t trust the US’s opinion of itself.

nevertheless, i remain open and interested in what you can present of this.

ugh. look, let’s just focus on the other thread, ok? seems more productive. we need to wrap this up.

again, you’re being upped by the choir, mate. i wouldn’t puff my chest out about that.

but dude, the point is, get it all out clear in the open. that’s all.

you love the gulags and the authoritarians. just lead with that. i’d find it much more honest than what you do now.

no, because in your previous comment you became a tantruming child.

not everything is about you being a communist. XD are you seriously just fishing for persecution? come on, man.

wow, you got me

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tankie

not that UD is some kind of godly authority, but in my experience this is the common historical meaning, specifically in contrast of other communists. if ppl use it to deride all communists, i can’t speak to that, but it would not be accurate. as i’ve said, i associate with non-tankie and former tankie Commies.

you never acknowledge this and prefer to wash it all away by claiming it’s an empty slur against all Commies, which is pretty divorced from the overarching context.

re: authoritarian states

you didn’t prove it, you made a claim and presented evidence.

i am not yet convinced of your (Marxist) claim that “all states are elements of class oppression, and that whichever class controls the state oppresses the rest.”

if i were anti-communist, i’d just tell you. but you are correct that i am not communist, nor socialist. not yet at least, mostly due to tankies. we’ve had this discussion before, i don’t particularly want to drag this on.

re: practice

then why not learn from the failings of the USSR, DPRK, PRC in their human rights violations? that would make we take your position more to heart, because when you can’t do that, it makes everything else you say empty, because you remain inhuman in your willingness to oppress others.

red boots, blue boots, still boots.

no, literally not relevant to this conversation since they’re not political prisoners.

muting you now since you have no idea what you’re talking about.

don’t even know what you’re talking about.

here are all your .ml “fence-sitting” buddies to pile on now, Cowbee.

this is so predictably tedious.

thanks Charlie Kirk, ya got me

thanks, we’re not talking about that right now. also, don’t let cowbee see your ad hominem, he really hates that.

i’m not trying to convert anyone. you are. which you do constantly.

but for any reader who pops by, and the OP where this began before i interrupted your usual spiel, to know right away what you are.

lol now THERE’S projection and ad hominem. you’re worse than i originally feared. that’s incredibly sad.

ok, all done here then.