If you don’t remember pemdas, you can use the longer P.lease E.xcuse M.y D.ear A.unt S.ally.

Pemdas, parenthesis first, for a total of 3. Then multiplication, 15, then addition. 17. What’s hard about this?

The founders tried that and look where it got us.

I remind myself all the time that as mad as I may feel, as righteous and justified and endangered, that violence on the level that might change things will fuck up my life and the life of everyone I care about and a whole lot of people I don’t know but don’t deserve it. Are the Cubans better off after the cuban revolution? Maybe, hard to say. Were the Soviets better off after the Russian revolution? Again, hard to say. The French are better off today than they were before the French revolution, but they also got Napoleon right after that.

Things will get worse before they get better.

Yeah I want our allies to stand up as much as the next trans person but I don’t envy Carney.

Our mission right now is to survive, I won’t be sad if Carney doesn’t want to start WWIII over us.

Different strokes.

I had my wife and best friend using signal until they dropped support for sms. Switching between apps was too much for us.

Economies that worked without cash still had debt.

Debt and obligation do not require money, but they do require people that will give you the things you need in exchange for “I’ll owe you one.”

Voting is at it’s base a means of information transfer, but it’s also a way to transfer power.

Legislators presidents are not all powerful, but there can be real consequences to who gets to make the rules.

We do not disagree about what is most important. But voting is a gateway to civic involvement. I don’t think people who don’t vote are more likely to organize labor, volunteer, or engage in activism. I think it’s the opposite. Voters are more likely to be engaged and engaged active people are more likely to be voters.

That’s the thing. There was no sacrifice. There was no pro Palestine candidate. There was a quiet genocide supporter and a loud genocide supporter. You can’t punish the quiet candidate by abstaining or voting for the loud genocide supporter.

The message they take from that is voters don’t give a shit about Palestine or genocide except that some voters want it to happen faster with more death and suffering.

You are correct that we cannot vote our way to peace, prosperity, justice, or any other desireable goal. Voting is not the end, it’s the first step on a long road to building those things. Do unionize your workplace. Volunteer for your local aid agency. Build dual power. It’s just so easy (nearly always) that there is no excuse to not vote.

Honestly, I think the same of you. If you are American, You can’t see the forest for the trees and you voted or allowed the election of someone that was even worse for the palestinians, Americans, and the world.

I’m sure the people being tortured in Cecot in Elsalvador take comfort that at least the Democrats got punished at the polls for their support of Israel.

The Ukrainian families that lost their loved ones when the US cut off intelligence sharing for 48 hours and let the Russians get the jump on exposed troops.

The thousands of US government workers that lost their jobs to DOGE can rest easy knowing that at least Harris didn’t get elected after supporting genocide.

Nobodies life was saved, the isrealies continue their ethnic cleansing, with the full throated support of the US president, but you get to sleep soundly knowing All the death, torture, and suffering is worth it.

Shame.

Lose an election to who

Voters.

Democratic leadership can schedule events or platform people or even change the rules but voters get to vote at the end of the day. There are more voters than leadership. And if voters didn’t vote for centrists in primaries there wouldn’t be any centrists in office.

Agreed, sometimes, basically all the time, you have to choose between the bad and worse options.

You just said the concessions were to head off the growth of revolutionary fire. What is that but responding to the will of voters?

Electoral politics sucks that way. If all you care about is a single issue, there might be no good option.

I don’t think the applies to Gaza and Palestinians but plenty of people do.

But presidential elections are not about a single issue, unless you are short sighted or it’s your life on the line. The rest of us have to make a judgement about a whole lot of lives and some of us are too self rightious to think clearly.

Moving the democratic and Republican parties left has happened more recently than a third party winning national prominence.

Both Democrats and Republicans moved left during the progressive era, 1890’s to 1916. The Democrats stayed there for decades while the Republicans moved right over the course of the new deal. A third party hasn’t gained prominence since the Republican party came on the scene in the 1850’s.

I never said voting is the most important thing to do. Voting is the bare ass minimum. It’s (usually) easy and zero risk.

Actual progress nearly always requires direct action. Women’s suffrage involved firebombs. Abolition took a whole ass war in the US and the new deal happened after strikes and outright war all over the continent.

Voting is not sufficient it’s just the easiest possible way to give leadership information.

Moving the Democratic party would be easier than electing a third party. It just doesn’t happen in a year or decade.

If you can’t see the difference then I guess all flags are swastikas to you.

Yep, no difference whatsoever. /S

If you really believe that then I guess you think nothing was lost.

Voting for trump or not voting isn’t taking a stand, it’s watching the flames rise and refusing to fight the flames.