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You were so right, I totally misread the comment. Thank you for pointing it out

I do love that (which is why I engage with this type of things).

But now, keep imaging the scene:

It’s still the chemistry forum. The chemistry field has been attacked by western anti-chemistry propaganda for almost a century. The chemists in the audience put up a sign at the entrance with a bunch of FAQs and beginner’s friendly questions.

I ignore all of that and demand an answer that I could have easily gotten answered online. But I’m doing all of this in bad faith. I just want an example of the evil chemists telling me to leave because I couldn’t be bothered to be honest in my request nor I could be humble in my lack of knowledge on the topic.

When yours and my friend ask us about a topic we love, they do it honestly and looking for answers respecting the fact that they don’t know. And yet, for anything communist/socialist, most people don’t

What are you saying? That people who don’t have political science degrees shouldn’t participate in politics?

That’s not what I’m saying at all. If you argue in such bad faith and put words in my mouth I’ll stop replying.

I’m saying that just because you can google something, that is not the same as being knowledgeable about a topic. Especially when the topic is divisive and nuanced and you yourself admitted that you don’t know enough about the topic to not mix things up.

You seem to be holding yourself up as an authority, but I have no reason to think you are.

Same. I’m just anothet online idiot. But I’m not pretending to know topics I’ve not actually read upon

Your assertion was you can’t have an authoritarian communist. I gave a counter example of Stalin, an authoritarian communist. You seem unwilling or unable to refute that Stalin was authoritarian.

Oof, I see a bunch of misunderstanding here. Re read the thread and I’ll be happy to engage with you (as long as you don’t put more words I didn’t say into my mouth please lol)

No, I can’t reply to your question. Beacuse it gets asked EVERY SINGLE TIME here. It has been replied to ad nauseam, and not only on Lemmy.

I never said Google is bad. But why do you think that’s enough?

Can you imagine how pointless, arrogant and entitled it would be for me, someone who has (as an example) no knowledge about chemistry, to go to a chemistry forum and ask an elementary question on an incredibly divisive topic within the chemistry field?

Why do you think having a surface level knowledge of political science and a quick scan from a google search is enough for such complex topics then?

Cool. Can you answer my question then? What opponents?

And more importantly, if you can’t honestly type an answer to this without asking google, why do you think you have enough knowledge on this topic in general? Maybe you could look more into that instead?

Since you really liked to use this with me in a previous comment…

Stay mad troll!

Changing topic when cornered, I see

No, that’s not what I’m arguing. You just can’t read well.

Also, what opponents? Name them since you’re such an expert

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Exactly what I was referring to… A bunch of the same old tired talking points that you’ve never actually bothered to look into.

"The US has basically lied since its founding, but they would NEVER lie to ME about Stalin or the USSR. And I know this because I saw a whole tiktok video once and a meme that said “commie bad”

Yeah, communist authoritarianism is not a thing.

You’re thinking of literal fascist anti-communist propaganda and using a very basic knowledge of anything leftist/communist-related to fill-in the rest

Why don’t you define “tankie” or authoritarianism before, then? Instead of just sharing a silly meme and acting as if that was an explanation.

What even is communist authoritarianism? Lol

💀

You’re literally spamming anti-tankie memes everywhere on Lemmy in the last hour. You can’t also try to act as if you weren’t touched by this hahaha

Troll

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That’s the most common, and yet incredibly incorrect, answer

Not sure. This OP also went to comment on a 4 years old post in the “republican” community here in Lemmy.ml so it could indeed be a conservative too.

Regardless, considering how many of these memes they’re posting now, they’ll likely be soon banned.

It sucks that we have to deal with these kind of people that have nothing better to do

Well OP spelled it out in this comment here:

“Waiting for the ML trolls to come out of the woodwork complaining about how I’m evil or whatever”

It’s just complaining and victim complex.

This OP is literally making pointless memes to get a reaction and then feel vindicated about all of this when some eViL ML replies to this user’s trolling.

So this person is free to go to a specifically ML instance to be a rude asshole, and yet the “evil tankie communists” are at fault somehow for removing the stupid post or something… 🙄

“Oh hey, another user fresh from Reddit who just learned the term tankie and wanted to cry about it on a Marxist Leninist instance… I’ve seen this before”

I might sound like an asshole and I apologize in advance if I do because it’s not about you specifically in this case but, while I’m glad that you had people in your life who were willing to consistently talk to you and help you rethink some things, the problem to me is exactly that like you said, it does not happen overnight. At all. It actually takes a long time and a lot of trust between people to achieve what was achieved with you in this particular case. And while I am certainly glad to have another ally, time is a luxury in some cases.

Using the case of Palestine, a Palestinian village getting bombed because so many liberals simply don’t value their lives enough and don’t pressure their officials to do something about it, doesn’t have the luxury of time.

As another example, the collapse of our ecosystem is happening every single day. And while we let companies continue business as usual, those liberals think that it’s a topic that can always be postponed. But it can’t. And now we’re past the point of no return and yet we waste time in pointless conversations trying to explain to people that what is happening, is happening.

If some people on the left are willing to and have the time to take liberals by the hand and explain to them things they could look up for themselves if only they weren’t so dismissive and disinterested in the suffering of others, great. They surely have my thank. But I don’t think as a general strategy makes sense to wait for such liberal people to suddenly decide that importent issues are finally important enough to them to be acted upon.

Those issues have always been important and worthwhile. Their previous lack of interest about such topics is their own failure.