It doesn’t say they are GOOD, just that they are STEADY. Steadily bad is still steady.
A dead patient has steady vitals too.
Dead patients don’t have any vitals at all.
Are their vitals at zero, or are they null? Steady if the former, error if the latter
They don’t respond therefore are null pointers.
they are null. People say “he’s got no pulse”, not “his pulse is zero”
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tbf you cant swing a domestic feline with steady vitals without hitting a programmer here
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You could even say they have the stediest vitals of them all.
Consider that the other patients that didn’t successfully bind may have had worse numbers. (Idk if those were shown in the movie.)
It’s the same way I’m lucky, nobody said it was good luck
Bad example since lucky literally means good luck.
Those aren’t life threatening vitals, they are just not healthy vitals. If you introduce a wild new experimental procedure to someone already unhealthy holding steady is a good thing, they aren’t crashing. Those are fairly standard vitals for say, someone with covid requiring hospitalization but hopefully not yet intubation, or someone with pneumonia or emphysema.
A quick check shows that 81% is typically considered severe hypoxia
Yeah, 81% on the pulse ox is bad. If the bipap doesn’t get that up you are buying a tube.
They say they’re holding steady, and they are, look at those graphs.
They didn’t say they were holding steady at ideal levels.
It probably costed some 100k just to pay the guy that designed the look and feel of the interface and obviously they had medical advices on the matter (common knowledge really).
The patient is going through merging with a symbionte, most patients (test subjects) died.
Of course they are happy to read anomalous but stable vitals.
I honestly don’t think that they paid that much. Most of it is probably just some stock animation that they bought and use, rather than anything specific.
100 million budget. It’s almost a million a minute and you think they slap stock animations for close up plot points and run the risk of having 5% of the audience going “those number are silly wtf am I watching”?
Yes, absolutely. The big bucks are for A-listed actors, executive producers and gigatons of cocaine, not nerd fan service.
3D effects will get a much bigger fraction of the CGI budget than some random animated chart
No shit. The fraction is not: “google image, upscale, good enough but the alien finger that point at the same screen will get 6 hours to render using 50% of the elecricity of texas”.
That’s literally what stock animations exist for lmao
They exist for fast or budgeted productions.
I feel dumb just having to argue that.
Only a handful of movies like Avatar gets actual effort put into fully custom fake interfaces, where the producer has a big vision. But even most other blockbuster releases don’t get that. Fast & The Furious with a dozen movies in the series? Nah. Anything where what’s on the screen is just filler will simply not get a big budget for interfaces. Even for big budget movies.
I think you’re really overestimating how much they’d pay a handful of random Korean guys for a few days of their time.
What I meant is it’s not rushed. I also don’t doubt that the boss of said Koreans made a hefty sum by landing a contract with Disney.
But they did say they were happy they were holding steady. But it doesn’t tell us if they wanted it dead or alive.
TBF you can’t get more steady than dead.
I work in 911 dispatch, at my agency our calls are assigned a priority from 1-5, 1 being the most severe, 5 the least
1 and 2 are considered high priority, you’re getting all the lights and sirens and everything, 3-5 are low, on the police end of thing a priority 5 is pretty much just us giving information to them, not something they actually need to do anything about, maybe they need to drive by and check on something, and maybe make a call afterwards to to public works or something to have them deal with an exceptionally bad pothole.
On the EMS side of things what that looks like is
1- pretty much what you expect, cardiac arrest, shootings, choking, traumatic amputations, etc.
2- honestly most of the EMS calls we get are a class 2. Things people need to go to the hospital with some urgency, but aren’t in immediate danger of expiring on the way there.
3- these are sort of the “you really called 911 about this?” calls. Like, sure, you should probably get this checked out, but you probably could have driven yourself or gotten a friend to take you to an urgent care, it probably could have waited a few hours, and the doctors probably just gonna tell you to take some Tylenol and take it easy for a few days.
4- this is basically psych patients. Physically there’s nothing wrong with them, they’re just mentally unwell
Which brings us to the point of this rant: class 5- obviously dead people. They can’t get any deader, so no real rush. They basically just need someone with some medical training to go out there and go “yep, that’s a corpse” and maybe check up on the family member who’s having a panic attack over it. Doesn’t get much more stable than that.
As a result of this “Class 5” has also entered our jargon as shorthanded for a dead person. So much so that some of our local news stations have picked up on it, if it’s a slow news day and they’re listening to the scanner fishing for a story and they hear “class 5” they might get a little nosey about it (I have a friend who worked for one who told me that after I started working here)
class 5- obviously dead people. They can’t get any deader, so no real rush.
Okay, but who am I supposed to call if someone just died in my home? Does the coroner have a non-emergency number for me to call “Hey, my mom just died. If you could send someone out to confirm whenever you have time that would be great.”
It’s going to vary a bit by jurisdiction, everywhere handles things a little differently
The coroner’s office should have an office number and you can certainly try calling that. It may or may not be staffed overnight or over the weekend and they’ll have some sort of on-call procedures in place (in my county, when they don’t have anyone in the office, their phones actually come through to us at the dispatch center to have the on-call coroner paged. Generally speaking we don’t do that for the general public, just for police, hospitals, etc.)
Whatever funeral home you intend to use may also be able to handle it.
But in general, just call 911. I won’t lie, a lot of what happens after that kind of happens in a black box from my perspective, I take the call, hang up and police/fire/EMS go out and do their thing and I get very little follow-up from there. But they have the experience with this kind of thing, they know what steps to take from there.
I also get a decent amount of calls where my callers are kind of clueless about what’s going on, it’s happened that they tell me the patient is conscious and alert only for the field units to report that they are in fact stiff and cold to the touch and an obvious class 5, and the opposite way around where they’re sure someone is dead and when they get out there the person is in fact up and talking and seems to be in perfect health, and of course everything and anything in-between. So it never hurts to have someone go out there to make sure things are actually as they seem. And of course we want to double check to make sure there wasn’t anything suspicious about the death as well.
I remember I had a caller one time who had been transferred to us from a nearby county where she was located. She told me her father had just died and she was having trouble getting ahold of her relatives in our county to let them know so she wanted us to go try to make contact with them for her (this would be about a priority 4 BTW, emergency and non-emergency calls all get handled through our central dispatch here)
Of course she didn’t have her relatives addresses, good phone numbers or much of anything for us to actually help us make contact with her relatives. But I was trying my best trying to help her, asking a lot of questions trying to figure things out trying to get her to describe where they live etc.
But the more I’m talking to her, things just seem kind of off, so I ask her when exactly her dad died
It was like literally right before the call, she was still sitting around in the home with the body and the first thing she thought to do about it was call her relatives that she apparently barely spoke to anyway.
Which, fine, I get wanting to let your relatives know about a death in the family, and different families and cultures have their own funeral practices and such, but you probably want to do something about the corpse in your living room first.
So I got her back over with the dispatch for her county, both so they can do whatever they need to about notifying the coroner and whatever other policies they have in place and because her local police would probably be better able to run the information through their system to find contact info for the relatives than I would be over the phone with her.
I’d say the non-emergency number would be appropriate in situations where the death is expected or is discovered too late to revive (like an elderly person passing in their sleep)
911 is “dispatch”. If you need a vehicle to arrive for almost any reason emergency or otherwise (ambulance, firetruck, police) then you dial 911. If it’s not an emergency you state that as soon as you get thru and that allows them to prioritize your call if necessary. Non-emergency is typically for questions and maybe things like code-enforcement.
Again, it varies, but a lot of places have moved to a central dispatch model where basically everything, emergency and non-emergency, is going through the same dispatch center in one way or another.
In the area I work in, especially after hours and over the weekend, a lot of stations aren’t staffed and everything redirects to us anyway, and even if you do reach someone at the station, often they’re either going to transfer you to us at central dispatch, or take down the information and call us themselves after they hang up with you. They’re not able or not supposed to dispatch much of anything from the station directly.
Technically those calls go behind 911 calls in our queue than calls on actual 911 lines, but luckily in my area our staffing and call volume are at a level where that’s almost never a factor and pretty much all calls are answered immediately.
So most of us here are of the opinion that people are better off just calling 911 for anything except for basic administrative things that need to be handled by the office at the local station, basically everything else needs to go through us so you might as well cut out the middle-man and go to us directly. And worst-case scenario we can’t help you and we’ll tell you who to call instead (you really need to be a major nuisance before anyone even begins to think about trying to get you in trouble for misusing 911 for a non-emergency, none of us want the paperwork or to have to go to court or anything else that would have to go with that.
Again, the situation varies a lot from place-to-place, non-emergency lines may be more useful in other areas, call volumes and staffing levels may be worse and you may not want to tie up the 911 lines, etc. so it pays to be aware of the situation in your local area.
Again, this all varies, but that’s pretty much how things seem to work everywhere within a couple hours of where I work.
Still 911 or 112 or your local equivalent. Then they’ll decide. If they think a crime happened they want police there quickly. If they don’t, they’ll have someone come around when there’s free time.
Watch me!
I mean thats pretty good for someone going through whatever sci-fi thing that was happening
Those numbers aren’t too far off from what I had the last time I was hospitalized for a nosebleed.
edit: Was.
It’s almost exactly what I had when I was hospitalized after a flat fire. My numbers held steady for hours, too.
Why did a flat tire hospitalize you?
Yes, if the heart rate were 60, that would be a lot more suspicious. Even if the procedure hasn’t started yet, I’d expect the subject to be fucking scared. I don’t know if the O2 saturation makes sense for what’s happening, but it might. If your entire body is being taken over by a symbiote, any readings might be possible.
In wolverine origins a character stops their heart with hydrochlorothiazide because it’s a cool sounding word
In reality she’d slightly drop her bp and probably have to piss
What about a kilogram of it?
A kilogram of piss is about a liter, give or take.
Ah, the old Lemmy switcharoo!
Hold my piss jug, I’m… uh… I feel like something’s missing.
Save this comment, create the chain! And perhaps add a link to the future switcharoo so we may follow the rabbit hole up or down
what if you gift it for tax purposes?
Still better to take the standard deduction for most people.
They you have the Ronald Reynal tax coming for you.
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I watched that movie right after I started as a pharmacy tech. Stuck with me.
A pulse of 136 and an SpO2 of 81 are far from ideal, but they’re also far from deadly. I’d say if you’re fundamentally altering someone’s biology traumatically and that’s the worst thing it does to them they’re doing pretty good, actually.
Yeah, I have sleep apnea and my SpO2 drops into the eighties once or twice a night.
Central apnea: fun for the whole family.
Looks pretty steady to me. Not optimal, or good, but steady.
136bpm is fine if the person is, understandably, anxious.
Is a person capable of anxiety if they’re missing a fifth of the oxygen they’re supposed to have?
IIRC 95% is like “you should probably talk to the doctor” territory
95% is the lower limit of being fine.
80% is “You should go to a hospital. No, I mean by ambulance”
For reference, I have what my doc calls “emphysema light” and was just in the local doc-in-a-box for my first go-round of COVID. My blood O2 was 97 and I felt short of breath. 80 sounds like I wouldn’t be moving under my own power.
Indeed. “Thanks” to be being a frequent flier in a global company I got Covid already in March 2020 and was constantly checking my oxy values. Never got below 91, but if they had hit 90 I was told to take an ambulance right away.
Is a person capable of anxiety if they’re missing a fifth of the oxygen they’re supposed to have?
Yes. Based on seeing a family member in that predicament, I’d say they’re capable of extreme anxiety at those levels.
Oh yeah, I mean, that’s fucked. I have no idea what effect that’d have on your heart rate.
Yeah, but kudos to whoever the UI dev for CONTAIN.MOD.C12 is.
If I had to guess the taskbar icons; Dashboard Mode, Fullscreen Mode, Report View, Directories, System Management, Power Management, Home, Settings, Shopping, Trash.
Up top looks like all the controls you need for the chamber to open and close doors, set temps, change vitals views…
Dunno what’s up with the primary monitor not adopting the dark UI theme, but that happens with GNOME some times.
But now every client thinks 3D drawings are the ultimate interface. In reality it just takes up screen real estate and drives up costs. Especially fun when they want something changed and get a pretty large bill.
What’s the issue? Death is also a “stable condition”.
Maybe the most stable.
This is why most medical dramas are irritating.
its why most of them dont show the actual vital readings , or the machine is not even on.
Kills me that studios spend so much money getting so many fine details correct and still can’t have one expert on set. Hell, just keep them on retainer if not always present.
Saw a great detail last night. In Rush Hour, the Chinese gangsters had Chinese pistols! They’re kinda funny looking to American eyes so they stood out. And they were perfectly consistent with the usage. Makes me wonder what details I missed out of ignorance.
Doesn’t even have to be a doctor. An ED or ICU nurse would cover most needs.
One of the many reasons why, yes.
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This is Hollywood. Fantasy, lalaland Hollywood? No truth ever came out of Hollywood.
