Anyone else getting these donation ads? Was it just shoved onto an update by the Lemmy devs, or is this coming from the instance admins? It doesn’t seem to show on clean browser sessions to lemmy.ca
Anyone else getting these donation ads? Was it just shoved onto an update by the Lemmy devs, or is this coming from the instance admins? It doesn’t seem to show on clean browser sessions to lemmy.ca
It’s completely interoperable with Lemmy (hence you seeing the comment you just replied to), but it’s not developed by tankies, it has better mod tools, better migration in the case a community or instance goes down, and it seems to be being developed at a more rapid pace.
What app do you use with it?
What got me hooked on lemmy was wefwef/voyager which is basically a reddit Apollo clone.
https://piefed.social/community/fediverse/wiki/piefed-app
Voyager supports Piefed
It also supports multiple accounts; Piefed here i come!
Mbin is also an alternative. More transparency: https://joinmbin.org/servers
PieFed slants too much on the moderator side while simplifying the user experience to the point that you can’t even easily work with the modlog.
What is the issue with the modlog?
https://piefed.zip/modlog
Now compare it to every other implementation of the modlog.
It actually has filters now because of an update last month, but it’s still not readily accessible if you don’t know the URL while most implementations provide links to it, from the home page and filtered within each community page. Even if it gets addressed, it shows that the priorities lie more on the side of creating a Reddit clone than allowing essential access to transparency.
Now show the part where you had to scroll down the whole feed to get to it instead of it being on the sidebar. This is what dark patterns in GUI design are criticized for. I suspect that the devs have the same attitude as yours, it’s tacked on somewhere so it has already been handled. That’s the point, it’s not a priority.
With that logic the /instances page on Lemmy is also hidden as a dark pattern to prevent people from looking up an instance’s federation list
There is no instance sidebar on Piefed on the homepage, if someone wants to see the instance stats that person would have to go to the “About” page that is also at the bottom. That’s not a dark pattern, just a design decision.
Not really, why do you think whataboutism is a valid form of argument? Dark patterns are essentially bad design decisions. If you can say the same about how Lemmy handles it instances page, then one bad design decision doesn’t cancel out another, it can be improved as well.
Like Mbin. Which is supposed to be the context of this subthread.
I’m curious, as someone who’s mostly only looked from the outside, what “slants too much on the moderator side” means.
I’m referring to transparency features being like seeing who’s downvoting and upvoting comments or easy and relevant access to the modlog and comments getting removed. Piefed little effort to making the modlog transparent and hides upvoting and downvoting completely (they basically had to make up a new concern for it, “voting privacy”, but its an excuse that allows for the manipulation of the voting system and lack of accountability for already pseudonymous accounts) while also implementing a reputation system that is asking to be gamed. It puts more responsibility and power onto mods, admins, and devs, and it’s the second one that’s going to be more frequently exercised over conversations.
Basically, does it allow users to police themselves and the content they want to see, or does it give it to the people behind the curtains?
The “private voting” system has been removed months ago. Nowadays Piefed user can either decide to federate their votes (which can then been seen by lemvotes or other tools) or keep them local
Doesn’t matter, the philosophy is still there. I will never expect them to be as transparent as Mbin, who provides voting transparency thus proving that the whole concept of voting privacy is bust and a power play. There is no epidemic of people abusing voting transparency that the “voting privacy” advocates might have argued, never mind that it is also false sense of security when it is completely visible to the server instance admins.
Mbin doesn’t provide transparency for downvotes
So by your logic, just because they don’t provide all available forms of transparency means they don’t provide any? You are just searching for a “gotcha” when it isn’t even a counterpoint.
As to why,
That particular exception exists, it doesn’t take too much effort to find out why: https://github.com/MbinOrg/mbin/issues/1115 Among other things, Mbin was threatened to be blocked by Lemmy on default for part of its functionality by the Lemmy devs, and melroy decided to succumb to the pressure rather than split the fediverse on this issue. Honestly, I find the main Lemmy devs to be compromised given how much they want narratives to head in a particular political direction and the tool that lack of transparency on downvotes provides for that in regards to shaping visibility and discussion within threads. It wasn’t like that for a long time, but you knew that.
Piefed’s level of voting transparency is little different to Lemmys now, except for Piefed defederating from lemvotes. I was also present during the discussions about it - and Rimu was very open about why he initially didn’t like public voting. He changed it because of public pressure to do so. That’s not an absence of transparency.
In any case, even if piefed.social is poor for this. That wouldn’t mean that piefed.zip or piefed.ca would have to follow the same instance policies.
Piefed.social defederates, Piefed.zip is still federated with lemvotes
Lemmy doesn’t give you this either, though? (Unless you use a service like lemvotes, which I think does it by having admin access.) So how is it different?
Me? I don’t. I’m still on Lemmy because I haven’t quite managed to work up the energy for the switch, and I’m rather tied to this account.
I believe some Lemmy apps have added additional support for Piefed, but I don’t know which. Tbh I do most of my browsing on a computer in a web browser anyway.
With a quick Google search, I found Mlem, Interstellar, and possibly Voyager already has support. But I can’t vouch for any of that personally.
https://piefed.social/community/fediverse/wiki/piefed-app