US source but a solid read.

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    UCP has majority only thanks to FPP. There’s plenty Albertans who’d vote different but feel trapped between two parties (Liberals are a non-existent entity there). I can guarantee you that anecdotally and from pure math majority government of AB represents views of 30% of it’s population, meaning 70% did not vote for tham. And of those 30% representation only a very vocal minority is driving separatist talk… We can all thank FPP for that.

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      UCP has majority only thanks to FPP.

      As much as I would like that to be true, the UCP got 52% of the vote last election. So even under MMP they would have got a majority government.

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        look at the math: 60% turn-out, of which 52% voted UCP… that makes it ~31% at best. Which is my point. With FPP whoever is not willing to vote for any of the “major contestants” doesn’t feel like their vote matters. So you’ve got 70% who did not vote for UCP for one or other reason

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          Now think about this fact: last election conservatives knew they were threatened by NDP, so you’d expect all the UCP loyalists to show up, but in fact turn-out is lower and results are way worse than prior election. In other words if we assume that those 70% contain more UCP supporters (or secession folk) I can’t find plausible evidence to support that. So that’s their entire electorate give or take a few thousands. The rest wants nothing to do with them. If it wasn’t for FPP, AB governance would look very different. But like I said earlier - none of the parties (NDP included) is willing to change that.

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            none of the parties (NDP included) is willing to change that.

            The NDP got to form government due to vote splitting, and should the UCP split vote splitting would hand them the election again so I wouldn’t be that surprised.

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        Seems odd. To be consistent, they should jail opposition candidates and stuff ballot boxes and murder traitorous opposition to the one true leader. I propose a new model : The Thunderdome. Two go in, one comes out, until the leader is chosen.

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    What’s a threat to Canadian unity isn’t Alberta, but it’s pushing Alberta isolation like this that’s doing it.

    It seems like only 20% of Alberta actually wants succession, and a lot of it is conditional on BC joining them, which is basically a nonstarter for BC anyways.

    The threat to Canada is Alberta feeling isolated and articles like this furthers such sentiment.

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      It seems like only 20% of Alberta actually wants succession

      I get your point but Alberta’s government, chosen by Albertans, are putting unity at stake. So while I agree that public support isn’t favourable to this ones specific decision, the people in power are testing the waters and this also matters a lot, so the article isn’t suddenly invalidated just because it’s the wishes of a minority. It can still be dangerous.

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    Albertan fuckers need a damned education.

    Trudeau jammed Two pipelines through BC when Harper didnt because that moron tried to do it illegally.

    Trudeau put some of the most critical environments on the planet at risk for Alberta’s pocketbook.

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      Trudeau put some of the most critical environments on the planet at risk for Alberta’s pocketbook.

      Well, Canada’s pocketbook. Let’s not pretend that that oil money doesn’t finance a whole lot of Canada’s economy.

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      that tone is rather inflammatory. See my other post for more details but bottom line is that governing party was elected by about 30%-ish of population and they (UCP) intentionally promote more, shall we say, extreme (or, “uneducated” as you say) portion of the electorate. So painting entire AB with one brush is the same form of uneducated rant you’ve accused Albertans of. They are (like the rest of the country) trapped in FPP resulting in… this. And every party that grabs the power immediately abandons idea of changing to proportional representation because they know they are not majority despite the appearances.

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        UCP won all but 3 Calgary seats. Calgarians should be pressuring their UCP MLA’s, especially given the internal divisions within the party, and their slimming majority. 🦗 🦗

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          No they didn’t. Calgary has 25 seats, 14 of which are NDP. In 2023 there were 5 more that were lost by fewer than 1100 votes combined, which would have changed the outcome of the election. This was the best head-to-head showing by the NDP in Alberta ever.

          And with high-visibility Calgary-centric Nenshi as leader, It’s entirely possible that that balance flips.

          Calgary isn’t as conservative as you might want to believe.

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          As someone in Alberta I’m not convinced the people didn’t slide to the alt right along with the party. Basically, it’s the Wildrose party in all but name. The crazies ate the short sighted moderates who merged with them to avoid losing again.

          Nobody hates on Jason Kenney like they should. He killed this province. Whether he and/or Smith are symptoms of the same disease rotting the floor boards out of the USA aside.

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          A bunch o’ ridings were gearing up for recall campaigns before the federal election got called. A whole lot of folks were distributing literature and rallying volunteers until folks refocused on the federal election.

          Once the election is done, I’m pretty confident that’ll ramp up again - the UCP ain’t getting less corrupt. Check out abresistance.ca for info.

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    I hate to say it but compared to Quebec we almost don’t care if they leave or not, cuz they’re being petulent children about it.

    I have many friends from Alberta. I don’t hate Albertans. But damn your politics are stupid.

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      No the people are stupid also. Complain about government then vote same government in again and again.